Something I noticed..
After reading many posts it seems that Peter Ruckman is a forum hero. I am not completely surprised but I was wondering why? Is it just his stance on the KJV or are their other issues in which he is so highly admired for? I am just curious.
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Are you just trying to stir up more trouble? Why are you here!? |
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How am I trying to stir up trouble? You have issues. I simply asked a question that had NOTHING to do with the KJV. I never post here anymore due to hot-heads as yourself. I asked one question that I think is not the least bit controversial and you get all fired up. RELAX! |
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Again, why are you here? A hot head. Heh. I don't believe anyone has ever described me that way before. |
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You get all mad because of my post. You then say,"Why are you here!?" As if I was needing yelled at. This is why I called you a hot-head. |
Diligent is not a "hot head," it's just that we are well aware of your previous posts here, and he simply asked you a question. Since you are now calling the admin. names, it's obvious that you still have not learned any lessons in civility and basic manners.
I don't agree with everything Bro Pete has said or written, but I admire Ruckman's stand on biblical authority because he (along with a group of other decent men) has defended the KJV for many years in the face of the Alexandrian Cult and other slimy, faith-killing Bible deniers who make their living trying to attack it. If that makes him a "hero" of sorts for some, then so be it, there is nothing wrong with heros. And I think a backtrack on your leaven will put everything in perspective for the readers: Quote:
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They hold an annual *queer* parade down here in my city called "The Hero Parade", so I have a strong aversion to even using that word in my vocabulary nowadays!
I thank God for Dr Ruckman, and while he may not be my "hero" he is certainly among the men that I highly esteem in the church. 1 Thessalonians 5:12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; 13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves. |
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–adverb 1. not ever; at no time: Such an idea never occurred to me. 2. not at all; absolutely not: never mind; This will never do. 3. to no extent or degree: He was never the wiser for his experience. |
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Thanks for your answer. |
I very recently started watching Dr Peter S Ruckman's Dvd's and I love listening to his Sunday School sermons.
I felt very priveleged to have had this chance to hear his teachings. I even have been praying for him because selfishly I want him to be here for sometime to come. |
Dr. Ruckman or any other man is not a hero. He has good reading/reference material, commentarys and stands for the King James Bible, unlike alot of Apostates nowadays.
Of course i do not agree with everything,but than again no one is 100%. You know,stand for something or fall for anything. That is the way of 21st century churches. |
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Repeating my comments from post no. 6, I admire Ruckman's stand on biblical authority because he (along with a group of other decent men) has defended the KJV for many years in the face of the Alexandrian Cult and other slimy, faith-killing Bible deniers who make their living trying to attack it. If that makes him a "hero" of sorts for some, then so be it, there is nothing wrong with heros! Okay, rant over, sorry Bro. Jeremy. :) |
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Re: "Something I noticed."
Aloha brother Parish,
Your absolutely right - of course there are heroes (saved and lost). After all, the word "hero" is a legitimate English word. We can appreciate heroes and heroism in people. What we, as Christians, are not to do is "worship" heroes! The Holy Bible clearly teaches that God is NOT a "respecter of persons" [Job 36:19, 37:23-24; 2Samuel 14:14; 2Chronicles 19:7; Acts 10:34; Romans 2:11; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 3:25; 1Peter 1:17 ]; and it instructs God's people not to engage in "respect of persons" - before the Law [Job 13:10, Job 31:16-23, 32:21-22, 34:19 ]; during the Law [Leviticus 19:15; Deuteronomy 1:17, 16:19; Proverbs 24:23, 28:21]; and during this age of Grace [James 2:1, 9]. Considering all of the Christian "celebrities" out there, there sure is a whole lot of "respect of persons" going on in Christian circles today! On the other hand, "Just a Thought's" frivolous and unfounded charges are just one more example of his trying to stir up "controversy" amongst the brethren, which gives him another opportunity to point fingers and play the "victim". :( |
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Folks, I think it is important for KJBOs to do two things:
- Respond with carefully guarded words, even with the aggressive MVer. Firm rebuke should only come in response to clear and direct verbal assault. Brandon, I love you more than can be expressed, but JustAT did not openly provoke. You may have read that into his first post, but we need to allow challenges with popping the poster in the figurative nose after the first post. - Refrain from snide remarks, even when said in "jest". Joking around only works with close friends. Cody's last comment was unnecessary. I have failed in the past to do this with much regret. |
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One thing I am surprised that no one has mentioned is his chalk drawings. I never here of this. I saw him on youtube the other day and learned he draws with chalk as he preaches/teaches. Quite intresting. I use to scetch rather well but NEVER with chalk. I could never make it work. I must admit, I wish I could. |
Brother Tim,
It isn't just the first post of Just A Thought here on this Thread that (I think) caused Brandon to reply as he did. If you go and check all the threads that Just a Thought has started, you will find that his thoughts are a bit troublesome. His Threads have had me wondering, what is his agenda? And I am being rather guarded as I would like to something more harsh. Aloha, Renee |
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This thread is not trying to stir up trouble either. I got the thought that everyone like Ruckman so much due to the excitement about the Ruckman Reference Bible coming out (or may be out). I figured it would be a good topic for the chit-chat forum. You need to give a guy a break once in a while and stop accussing people of things they are not doing. If you think I am nothing but trouble then don't read my posts. If you do continue to read my posts and disagree then post why. I will treat you with respect no matter how you treat me to the best of my ability. I am not perfect so I can get nasty to but I try not to. This is something I have failed at much in the past but have been diligently working on. |
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Feel free to speek your mind. I can take it just try to be Christ-like. |
JAT,
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The issue of us liking Ruckman is trivial and has no bearing on the truth of God except where he agrees with it. He is just a man. So why do you want to chit-chat about it? When motives are not revealed up front in why a thread is being posted then it is left to us to try and figure out what is up in any given post. I have tried a few time to start threads explaining what I am trying to do so no one gets confused or misjudges the threads purpose. people still misjudge but most see clearly what it is for. As fa as debates. forums are the bringing together of information for all to view and get understanding on a topic. if it is in Biblical error it will lead to correction (which is Biblical). if the subject is controversial it should lead to respectful revelation and not to personal judgement of each other. But to come here looking for debates is wrong. I come here to learn from others and to bounce thoughts and views off other like minded men. I will post doctrines that are in error and try to correct them. I will remark on current events. Most of ALL I want to exalt the scriptures as God has exalted it above his name in every area of Christians living, practice and doctrine. |
Why do you enjoy debating?
It's alright to defend something, but you aren't defending anything. |
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Just trying to start a nice conversation. Something that I thought eveyone would enjoy. Stop trying to judge eveyones motives all the time. If I have a motive or agenda it will come to the surface eventually. Everyone that secretly tries to pop up an agenda always does. Nothing wrong with a kind debate. No calling someone an "idot" or "moron". This shows where someone is wrong. It punches holes in mans thoughts so he can correct them Iif he so chooses). |
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I defend what I believe the Bible teaches just as you do. |
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Cody, JustAT appears to have received your joke as such and that is fine. The problem comes when lurkers clip-and-snip our "jokes" and then use them elsewhere to prove that we are mean-spirited. I have seen it happen. In fact with the very joke that you used (someone else used the same joke, not you)
Renee, I know well that JustAT can be a bit difficult. We bang heads regularly over at FFF where I go to work on my people skills. :) He is actually one of the milder ones over there. He sincerely thinks that we just need a little more convincing and we will "see the light". Little does he know! It does seem that just the mention of Dr. Ruckman's name gets emotions active. He has made a personal difference in the lives of a number of members here, and a non-KJBer dropping his name is a red flag, because non-KJBers almost universally despise him. |
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Ruckman does get people going, even on this site. I did not think it would be such a big issue here or I would not have touched it. I know better than to bring him up again here. Just for the record, I may not be KJVO but I do not despise him. Many on here like him and I wanted to start a positive thread which I failed at miserably. My apologies. |
Just a Thought.
Here is a thought for you. Romans 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do. I would dare say, most people who post here do so to edify others, not debate. Aloha Renee |
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Friends "discuss", opponents "debate". The intention of discussion should be the broadening of knowledge. The intention of debate is to win.
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Bad choice of words,yes there are heros,ok. Everytime i hear that word "hero "it brings up bad memories.:hurt: like this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-T1h7J0R-Q Oh how painful,to listen without wanting to run out of the room kicking and screaming Like fingernails down a chalkboard.:pound: |
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JAT, my differences with Dr. Ruckman mostly are doctrinal. Doc Pete is a Baptist, I'm not. I came out of the Church Of Christ where any and all versions nearly are acceptable. I attended several Name-It Claim-It Pentecostal churches until I noticed a lot of people were naming and next to none claiming. There followed a two year limbo in a Bride Church where at least the preaching was good, I was mostly a knothole in a pew. A gentleman did a presentation on why the KJV was the inspired word of God FROM the word of God rather than manuscript evidence. I was using both a KJV and NASB. I kept the NASB as evidence, so to speak. I attended one church that was dispensational and fundamentalist and from there I began reading Dr. Ruckman's books, I had nearly all of them. We call ourselves Grace Believers, Baptists call us Dry Cleaners. Of course, COC calls all of us damned, which is why I left them. You can't get a smile out of them at gunpoint. Rejecting the Calvinism and multi version original manuscript fraud of Stam, we had Richard Jordan in the church as a guest speaker. Jordan was booted out of the presidency of the Bereans when he made the statement the Bereans would use only the KJV, and Stam would not have that. Jordan attended Ruckman's school, BTW. I know Richard personally and consider him a brother and friend. I know Baptists I consider brothers and friends. I know a few unsaved Vietnam vets I consider brothers and friends. We can have brothers and friends in both worlds without making them gurus. That's part of your question here I think. Dr. Ruckman has a following and like all followings there is a minority who are somewhat unsavory. Most the Christians I know who follow Dr. Ruckman do so as Christian gentlemen, recognize he has faults as we all do. Once in heaven me and Paul of Tarsus will have a fist fight over who is the least of Christians. So in naming Christians with faults, I am at the head of the list. This minority faction views Doc Pete as a guru, they emulate his dress, his speech("you moron", I prefer David Letterman's "mow-ron". In times of anger I have been noted to spout "knucklehead" a few times), they even emulate his prayer stance(on one knee with head in hands. I don't bow my head in prayer but look to heaven, as Jesus did in John 17. WWJD?). I've been at a few of his meetings where there were young men who have the hobby of bodybuilding as bodyguards and noticed over the years blackjacks sticking out of hip pockets. I guess the NIV translation commitee are some real thugs who are out to get Doc Pete. All men of high public profile have followings and some are not as I said, savory. I've been to meetings held by Oral Roberts and Jimmy Swaggart and noted people there I would not invite to a dogfight. Dr. Ruckman has taught me some neat stuff, such as staying in the KJV for definitions. He showed me Isaiah 28 and Paul's spiritual things with spiritual things comparisons. It is unfortunate for any membership by me in the Baptist church that his method showed me the first formal water baptism in the Bible to be in Leviticus 8. everything I know about dispensationalism I did not learn from Stam, Darby, O'Hair; I learned it from Dr. Peter Sturges Ruckman. I thank him that I go to sleep tonight and every night knowing there are no contradictions in the Bible. The most trustworthy commnetaries to me are his, I did like Stam's THINGS THAT DIFFER. I learned everything I know about dispensationalism from him, in my opinion he hunts with the Baptist hounds and runs with the dispensational rabbits. Friend or foe we all need to have a perspective on Dr. Ruckman: He is an 87 year old man. He is an elder. He was saved before my mother and father met. He is a man, like all men has faults. I've never met Dr. Ruckman, I hope someday I can. If I can get by the bodybuilders. So, would you like to discuss the bible version issue? Grace and peace Tony |
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As far as the Bible version issue is concerned, if you wish the send me a PM on here that is fine but if we have an open discussion on it many here will be mad by post #1. It is not worth upsetting everyone over it. |
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My friend, I believe my message to you is accurate to the best of my knowledge, and you discerned exactly what I meant. We are all sinners saved by grace. Dr. Ruckman and I share a common background in that we are both "country boys", any agreement or disagreement I believe would be founded in that, I think by nature we would understand each other. You are free to email me also, and I look forward to hearing from you. Grace and peace Tony |
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