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Bro. Parrish 12-18-2008 01:13 PM

Evolution vs. Creation
 
The Human Placenta defies evolution...

The Risky Expulsion of the Placenta after Birth
During the baby’s development, the placenta is securely attached to the endometrium of the uterus by some of the larger branches of each cotyledon. When the uterus contracts to expel the placenta after the birth of the baby, some of the endometrial surface is torn off with it. This results in severing about 20 large uterine arteries which, if unchecked, would involve the loss of blood at a rate of about one pint per minute. Since fewer than five quarts (4 liters) of blood are in the adult female body, all the blood would be lost in less than 10 minutes. It is also important to note that the blood-clotting mechanism is suppressed in the placenta and uterine blood vessels during pregnancy, creating a situation comparable to a hemophiliac with 20 severed arteries. These factors result in a wound that no one would expect to survive!

Saved by a Miracle!
How does a woman survive childbirth with such a wound? Here is another example of the awe-inspiring work of God, the Creator and Sustainer of life. You see, each of the severed uterine arteries has a precisely placed muscular sphincter that acts like a purse string, or a surgeon’s hemostat, to immediately close off the loss of blood. As a result, a normal birth involves the loss of only about a pint of blood. Simply amazing!
more here:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...v2/n1/placenta

Bro. Parrish 12-20-2008 03:26 PM

Historical Lies of Evolution
"Archaeoraptor": The $80,000 Fake Dino-Bird
from National Geographic


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National Geographic boldly proclaimed to the world in a six-page color article that "Archaeoraptor liaoningensis" was "a true missing link in the complex chain that connects dinosaurs to birds." The discovery was later found to be an embarrassing combination of two completely different animals. For some in the scientific community, the nature of Nat Geo's retraction was almost as embarrassing as the lies it published.

The Fossil Remains
In March, National Geographic published a letter, of less than 90 words, written by Xu Xing, one of the scientists who originally examined the "Archaeoraptor," in the magazine's "Forum" section. "People who were looking for the retraction couldn't find it," DeWitt said. "A letter to the editor is not the usual way to handle an error of this magnitude."

In stark contrast to their sensationalistic ‘Feathers for T. rex’ article, National Geographic has printed a brief, yet revealing statement by Xu Xing, vertebrate paleontologist from the Chinese Academy of Sciences, in Beijing. Xu's revelation appears in the somewhat obscure Forum section of the March, 2000 issue, together with a carefully crafted editorial response. The letter from Xu Xing, vertebrate paleontologist from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing, reads:

‘After observing a new feathered dromaeosaur specimen in a private collection and comparing it with the fossil known as Archaeoraptor [pages 100–101], I have concluded that Archaeoraptor is a composite. The tail portions of the two fossils are identical, but other elements of the new specimen are very different from Archaeoraptor, in fact more closely resembling Sinornithosaurus. Though I do not want to believe it, Archaeoraptor appears to be composed of a dromaeosaur tail and a bird body.’

The Perpetrators
The "true missing link" fossil was created by Chinese craftsmen, smuggled into the United States from China and was sold for $80,000 to the owner of a dinosaur museum in Monticello, Utah, before it eventually landed in the halls of the National Geographic Society in Washington.

In a six-page color spread, complete with artist's drawings, photographs and diagrams, National Geographic's November 1999 issue reported that the "Archaeoraptor," supposedly a 120-million-year-old bird-like creature with the tail of a meat-eating dinosaur, had been discovered in a fossil unearthed in the remote Liaoning Province of China.

The $80,000 FAKE FOSSIL had also been showcased before more than 100,000 people, the majority of them children, at the National Geographic's Explorers Hall in Washington between Oct. 15 and Jan. 21.

As more evidence of altered fossils begins to surface, one must seriously question the integrity of the fossil industry and the stories these fossils are supposed to tell. A Feb. 19, 2000 New Scientist article sheds light on the growing problem of faked and altered fossils. Referring to the Chinese fossil birds, paleontologist Kraig Derstler from the University of New Orleans in Louisiana says, ‘almost every one that I’ve seen on the commercial market has some reconstruction to make it look prettier.’

The illegal yet highly profitable market of Chinese bird fossils has enticed the local farmers into creating marketable fossils, real or not. Derstler points out that ‘adhesives and fake rock have become very easy to make and very difficult to spot.’

The paleontologist Luis Chiappe, of the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County, describes how one such specimen almost fooled him, till he noticed that one leg was longer than the other. ‘I wasn’t sure what was wrong with it,’ Chiappe said. Only close examination revealed that two slabs had been mortared together. ‘On the surface you really couldn’t see that.’

Dr Larry Martin of the University of Kansas, who is a staunch critic of the dino-to-bird theory, commented, ‘I don’t trust any of these specimens until I see the X-rays.’ 6 Joints and gaps in the reworked fossils are revealed with X-rays. Martin went on to say:

‘The farmers do not believe this is wrong, they look at it as restoring an art object to make it more marketable. The whole commercial market for fossils has gotten riddled with fakery.’

A General Warning
"Archaeoraptor" illustrates the danger of publishing so-called factual "evidence" regarding the notion of macroevolution. Evolutionists still base new taxonomic classifications on nothing but obscure fragments and teeth. DeWitt noted he is concerned that the scientific community's predisposition toward evolution too often takes precedence over objective scientific research.

"Many scientists are so convinced that Darwinism is correct that they can't even see the plain evidence that contradicts it," DeWitt said. "Because they only look for evidence that supports the theory, they can be easily duped. The Archaeoraptor incident shows what can happen when scientists fail to consider alternative explanations."

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs...ws3-2-2000.asp
http://www.discovercreation.org/newl...ril%202000.htm
http://www.worthynews.com/news-featu...sing-link.html

Bro. Parrish 12-20-2008 03:36 PM

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The Piltdown Man memorial stone, circa 1938.

Historical Lies of Evolution
Piltdown Man: 40 Years of Deception

Piltdown Man (Eoanthropus Dawsoni) was once thought to be a "missing link" between man and ape. The first Piltdown fragments were discovered in 1912. Thereafter, over 500 scientific essays were written on the Piltdown Man in a 40-year period. The discovery was proven to be a deliberate hoax in 1953.

Piltdown Man: The Fossil Remains
Piltdown Man consisted of two human skulls, an orangutan jaw, an elephant molar, a hippopotamus tooth, and a canine tooth from a chimpanzee. Sir Kenneth Oakley has determined the human skulls to be approximately 620 years old. They may have belonged to Ona Indians from Patagonia, as the skulls were unusually thick. Thick skulls are a common trait among Ona Indians. The orangutan jaw is around 500 years old, perhaps from Sarawak. The elephant molar is thought to be from Tunisia. The hippopotamus tooth is thought to have come from Malta or perhaps Sicily. The canine tooth belonged to a Pleistocene Chimpanzee. The Piltdown remains were purposefully scattered around a quarry in Piltdown, England, so that they could be "discovered" later as evidence for evolution and the development of man from ape. The skulls had been treated with acid. All of the fossil remains were stained with an iron sulfate solution. The canine tooth was painted brown and patched with bubble gum. The molars were filed down. The portion of the orangutan jaw that connected the jaw to its skull was carefully broken so as not to show evidence that this jaw did not belong to a human skull.

Piltdown Man: The Perpetrators
The Piltdown Man hoax is thought to have been perpetrated by Charles Dawson, an archaeologist, geologist and fossil collector for the British Museum. However, no one is quite certain who was involved. There are a number of other suspects, including Sir Arthur Smith Woodward, Keeper of the British Museum's Natural History department, and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a paleontologist and Jesuit theologian.

Piltdown Man: A Deliberate Hoax
Piltdown Man was obviously a deliberate hoax. Upon critical investigation, the hoax was exposed very quickly. However, the "find" was not investigated properly until forty-years after the initial "discovery". This was due primarily to the excellent credentials held by the men who made the "discovery." Very few experts ever suspected fraud. It wasn't until 1949, when the fossils were dated using the fluorine absorption technique, that the authenticity of the "discovery" was called into question. It is true that the fluorine test was not developed until many years after the hoax. However, the file marks upon the teeth, and the fact that the "wear" was backward, would have been immediately obvious upon any inspection from the very beginning.

Piltdown Man: A General Warning
The story of Piltdown Man acts as a warning to all of us. We must fully investigate any and all data very carefully. Not only are we contending against the obscurity of the past, but the hidden intentions of ambitious men.
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/piltdown-man.htm

Bro. Parrish 12-20-2008 03:41 PM

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Historical Lies of Evolution
Nebraska Man: The Tale of the Tooth

Nebraska Man (Hesperopithecus haroldcookii) was described on the basis of a single tooth. This tooth was used to construct an entire species, complete with illustrations of the primitive man and his family. The amazing missing-link discovery was later determined to have come from a pig.

The Fossil Remains
In 1922, Henry Fairfield Osborn, the director of the American Museum of Natural History, declared that he had found a fossil molar tooth belonging to the Pliocene period in western Nebraska near Snake Brook. This tooth allegedly bore common characteristics of both man and ape. An extensive scientific debate began surrounding this fossil, which came to be called "Nebraska man", in which some interpreted this tooth as belonging to Pithecanthropus erectus, while others claimed it was closer to human beings. Nebraska man was also immediately given a "scientific name", Hesperopithecus haroldcooki.

The Perpetrators
The picture above was drawn on the basis of a single tooth and it was published in the Illustrated London News magazine on July 24, 1922. However, the evolutionists were extremely disappointed when it was revealed that this tooth belonged neither to an ape-like creature nor to a man, but rather to an extinct pig species.

Many authorities gave Osborn their support. Based on this single tooth, reconstructions of the Nebraska man's head and body were drawn. Moreover, Nebraska man was even pictured along with his wife and children, as a whole family in a natural setting.

All of these scenarios were developed from just one tooth. Evolutionist circles placed such faith in this "ghost man" that when a researcher named William Bryan opposed these biased conclusions relying on a single tooth, he was harshly criticised.

In 1927, other parts of the skeleton were also found. According to these newly discovered pieces, the tooth belonged neither to a man nor to an ape. It was realised that it belonged to an extinct species of wild American pig called Prosthennops. William Gregory entitled the article published in Science in which he announced the truth, "Hesperopithecus: Apparently Not an ape Nor a man. 67 Then all the drawings of Hesperopithecus haroldcooki and his "family" were hurriedly removed from evolutionary literature.

A General Warning
Nebraska Man illustrates the danger of basing discoveries on such scant evidence. It is still useful because Evolutionists still base new taxonomic classifications on nothing but teeth.

Bro. Parrish 12-20-2008 03:51 PM

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Historical Lies of Evolution
OTA BENGA: THE "MISSING LINK" IN A CAGE

The Search for Evidence
After Darwin advanced the claim with his book The Descent of Man that man evolved from ape-like living beings, he started to seek fossils to support this contention. However, some evolutionists believed that "half-man half-ape" creatures were to be found not only in the fossil record, but also alive in various parts of the world. In the early 20th century, these pursuits for "living transitional links" led to unfortunate incidents, one of the cruellest of which is the story of a Pygmy by the name of Ota Benga.

Ota Benga was a member of the Batwa people, and lived in equatorial forests near the Kasai River in what was then the Belgian Congo. Ota Benga was captured in the Congo in 1904 by a business man named Samuel Phillips Verner, who was under contract from the St. Louis World's Fair to bring back pygmies for exhibition. In his own tongue, Ota Benga's name meant "friend." He had a wife and two children who were previously killed in a massacre.

The Perpetrators
Chained and caged like an animal, Ota Benga was taken to the USA where evolutionist scientists displayed him to the public in the St Louis World Fair along with apes and introduced him before many thousands of visitors as "the closest transitional link to man."

Two years later, they took him to the Bronx Zoo in New York (the photo above of Ota Benga was reported taken at the zoo) and there they exhibited him under the denomination of "ancient ancestors of man" along with a few chimpanzees, a gorilla named Dinah, and an orang-utan called Dohung. Dr William T. Hornaday, the zoo's evolutionist director gave long speeches on how proud he was to have this exceptional "transitional form" in his zoo and treated caged Ota Benga as if he were an ordinary animal.

Bronx Zoo director William Hornaday saw the exhibit as a valuable spectacle for his visitors, and was encouraged by Madison Grant, a prominent scientific racist and eugenicist.

A September 10, 1906 New York Times story reported:
"The person responsible for this exhibition degrades himself as much as he does the African," said Rev. Dr. R. MacArthur of Calvary Baptist Church. "Instead of making a beast of this little fellow, he should be put in school for the development of such powers as God gave to him. It is too bad that there is not some society like the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children. We send our missionaries to Africa to Christianize the people, and then we bring one here to brutalize him."

The zoo director finally acquiesced, and allowed Ota Benga out of his cage. Once let out, Ota Benga spent most of his days walking around the zoo, often with huge crowds following him, and returned to the "monkey house" only to sleep at night.

The New York Times of September 18, 1906, described the scene:
"There were 40,000 visitors to the park on Sunday. Nearly every man, woman and child of this crowd made for the monkey house to see the star attraction in the park—the wild man from Africa. They chased him about the grounds all day, howling, jeering, and yelling. Some of them poked him in the ribs, others tripped him up, all laughed at him."

Being treated as a curiosity, mocked and made fun of by the visitors, eventually caused Benga to react with aggression to those around him.

Eventually Ota Benga was removed from this terrible life, and he worked at a tobacco factory for some years, but he never fully adjusted to American society, and this is no surprise considering his ordeal. Ota Benga eventually committed suicide, and was buried in an unmarked grave.

A General Warning:
Piltdown Man, Nebraska Man, "Archeoraptor," and "missing links" in cages... these scandals demonstrate that evolutionist scientists do not hesitate to employ any kind of unscientific method to prove their theory. We need to bear this point in mind, when we look at the other so-called evidence of the "human evolution" myth.

http://www.onehumanrace.com/docs/ota_benga.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...1/otabenga.asp

Bro. Parrish 12-20-2008 04:17 PM

Historical Lies of Evolution
The Minnesota Iceman

Hoaxes abound in the efforts of evolutionists to provide proof of the alleged molecules-to-man evolutionary scenario. They are also plentiful in show business. One of the more bizarre episodes, involving both these aspects, is the Minnesota Iceman mystery, which occurred in the U.S.A. during the late 1960s and early 1970s.

In December 1968, Dr Bernard Heuvelmans, a Belgian cryptozoologist visiting the U.S.A., and Ivan T. Sanderson, an American zoologist, heard of an exhibit which had been shown on the U.S. carnival circuit in 1967–68, claimed by its showman, a Mr Frank Hansen, to be the ‘missing link’ between humans and apes. On December 17, 1968 the two zoologists inspected the exhibit in a trailer-truck at Hansen’s home at Rollingstone, Minnesota.

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Argosy, May 1969. Actual photo on left.
Notice the so-called "scientific rendering of probable features" on right. I remember when I read this article as a child I was stunned by what I saw. - Bro Parrish


The Evidence
The object appeared to be a large human-like corpse, preserved in a block of ice (some of it transparent, some frosted, some opaque) under a plate-glass lid in an insulated refrigerated coffin. For three days, the two scientists photographed and made drawings of the creature as best they could through the glass and the block of ice.
It was male, about 1.8 metres (six feet) tall, and covered in thick long brown hair. The shoulders were very wide, ‘constructed like those of a powerful human wrestler’. The torso was barrel-shaped, tapering to narrow hips. One arm was thrown up over the face and appeared to be badly fractured. The hands were huge. The legs were ‘about the standard length for a six-foot man’, but the arms were ‘longer than the average’. The feet were ‘more than ten inches [25 centimetres] wide measured across the toes’, with the big toe lying ‘beside the next one as does a man’s, and not opposed to the other toes, as does an ape’s.’

The Perpetrators
Heuvelmans sent his notes to the Belgium Royal Museum in January 1969, and confidently named the creature Homo pongoides. As the pongids are the anthropoid apes, this evolutionist scientist was thereby claiming that this unauthenticated creature was a new species, an ape-like man. The museum published his material in the prestigious Bulletin of the Royal Institute of Natural Sciences of Belgium.

On March 11, 1969, a Belgian newspaper published the first press report, and soon journalists from all over the world sought information, much to the consternation of Hansen, who wanted neither this much publicity nor an in-depth investigation. Why would a showman shun free publicity, unless he knew the whole thing was a fake?

On March 13, 1969, the Smithsonian Institute requested permission from Hansen to inspect and x-ray the specimen. Hansen refused and stated in a letter that the original specimen had been removed by the owner, that it would never again be exhibited, and that it would be replaced by a man-made model for the coming show season. Hansen and the exhibit then disappeared.

The zoologist Sanderson wrote a report in the trilingual Italian scientific journal Genus, and a popular summary entitled ‘The Missing Link’, which appeared in Argosy, May 1969, pp. 23–31, illustrated by Heuvelmans’ excellent photographs.

Bernard Heuvelmans, the most pre-eminent zoologist involved, always maintained that the first object he and Sanderson examined was ‘the fresh remains of a neanderthaloid human’.
Ivan Sanderson, also an evolution-believing scientist, dissociated himself from Heuvelmans’ term Homo pongoides and the suggestion that it was a Neandertal. His cautiously worded conclusion stated that it was ‘some form of primate . . . an anthropoid, but whether it is a hominid, a pongid, or a representative of some other previously unsuspected branch of that super-family we are not prepared to say or even speculate’.

Frank Hansen, when asked by a journalist whether the original iceman was real, replied: ‘I never did find out. I just knew, whatever it was, it was just the greatest exhibit possible . . . I didn’t want to ask.’ And did the original still exist? ‘Oh yes, the owner’s still got it on ice in California.’

John Napier, curator of the primate collections at the Smithsonian Institute, has the most plausible explanation. He regarded it ‘as a problem for a detective agency rather than for a biologist.’ He concluded that Hansen was a clever showman who conceived the idea of exhibiting a monster in ice (‘which serves both to heighten the illusion and prevent too close an inspection’). After a couple of years, to increase public interest, Hansen leaked information which reached Sanderson and, by chance, the international expert, Heuvelmans. Huge and embarrassing publicity resulted, when newspapers all over the world carried the story. ‘The unexpected had happened. Science was taking the story seriously.’ To keep scientists at bay and to deepen the mystery, Hansen substituted the ‘original’ with a ‘model’. According to Napier, this model was, in fact, the original, defrosted and slightly rearranged in posture, and then refrozen, all of which could have been done during Hansen’s vacation in March–April, 1969. Napier concluded: ‘ . . . if there is a Barnum Award, my vote would go to Frank D. Hansen.’

Of course, had the ‘original’ really been genuine, the owner could have gained a huge financial reward by selling it to a museum. He never did, even after the exhibit had run its course on the carnival circuit. Already in 1969, rumours had begun to circulate that the iceman was nothing more than a model made from latex rubber and bear hair in a Hollywood monster factory, in April 1967, by a Mr Pete Correll.

A General Warning
The Minnesota Iceman was clearly a gigantic hoax. But how could experienced zoologists and scientific journals have got themselves so much ‘out on a limb’ over this alleged ‘missing link’?

Answer: All claims about alleged ‘missing links’ have in common the desire on the part of the researcher to find anything which would substantiate the molecules-to-man myth. This can blind even the most pre-eminent scientists to reality. Sadly, for some years, tens of thousands of people in the USA had belief in evolution reinforced, and consequently belief in the Bible discredited, by this ‘ape-man’, which was nothing more than another hoax.

References included here:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea.../i1/iceman.asp

George 12-20-2008 10:24 PM

Re: "Evolution vs. Creation"
 
Aloha brother Parrish,

Thanks for the informative Posts.

You may already know about this source - but if you don't, this is a really great source of info on the same subjects (including "cosmology" - the beginning of the Universe, i.e. matter).

Brother Vance Ferrell may have the very best single book on this subject: "SCIENCE VS. EVOLUTION = 1008 PAGES @ $11.50 per Book, or $5.45 each in a box of eight!

You can check them out at: http://evolution-facts.org/

They also have a 3 Volume Encyclopedia (ON-LINE) that covers practically every subject involved in this very important controversy. {Volume #1 = ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE. Volume #2 = ORIGIN OF LIFE. Volume #3 = OTHER EVIDENCE AGAINST EVOLUTION}

Bro. Parrish 12-21-2008 10:39 PM

Thank you Brother George! :thumb:

Bro. Parrish 05-20-2009 08:55 AM

Well here we go again...
please see post no. 2 on this thread for previous claims by National Geographic... :rolleyes:

"MISSING LINK" FOUND:
New Fossil Links Humans, Lemurs?

May 19, 2009—Meet "Ida," the small "missing link" found in Germany that's created a big media splash...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ink-found.html

Here is AIG's take on the story...

Ida: The Missing Link at Last?
For all the headlines and proclamations, this “missing link” story includes an amazing amount of hot air.
A story we first previewed on May 16 has since rocketed to the heights of media hype as a team of scientists reveals “Ida,” the latest and greatest supposed missing link. But does Ida actually support “the evolution of early primates, and, ultimately, modern human beings,” as one news outlet reported?

"Even the contents of Ida’s stomach were preserved. While the researchers believe Ida sunk to the bottom of a lake and was buried, this preservation is more consistent with a catastrophic flood."

"Much of the excitement over Ida appears to stem from a well-coordinated public relations effort to promote an upcoming documentary and a new book titled The Link...

as Hurum commented, “This fossil will probably be pictured in all the textbooks for the next 100 years.”

From the AIG sidebar:
"despite the treatment most media reports are giving Ida, the research team behind Ida was asked to remove their speculation from their peer-reviewed paper! Even so, the Guardian also reports, “There is even talk of Ida being the first non-living thing to feature on the front cover of People magazine.” Indeed, it seems that the pitch of Ida as the missing link is full-out sensationalism by people who are bypassing the scientific community with a direct-to-the-public appeal on behalf of Darwinism."
SOUND FAMILIAR???
more here:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...a-missing-link

Brother Tim 05-20-2009 11:27 AM

I am very tempted to go full-bore sarcastic and write something about lemurs and MVers and missing links, but I will get under my body. :p

Bro. Parrish 05-20-2009 03:43 PM

Even Google has gotten in on the monkey man madness, notice the logo...
http://www.google.com/

Winman 05-20-2009 07:06 PM

Yep, the Evos come out with another sensational story. They capture the attention of the world press with supposed "proof" of evolution. What they don't tell you is that many in the field say the claims are exaggerated and often downright falsehoods.

Here is an article from paleoanthropologists who disagree with these claims.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...6eVVxTpzF7hMgF


"On the whole I think the evidence is less than convincing," said Chris Gilbert, a paleoanthropologist at Yale University. "They make an intriguing argument but I would definitely say that the consensus is not in favor of the hypothesis they're proposing."

johnlf 05-21-2009 06:26 PM

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2 Thessalonians 2
King James Bible

Is evolution part of the coming strong delusion? What do you think?

Bro. Parrish 05-21-2009 06:55 PM

I don't know John, that's a good question.

I always figured evolution to be a creation of man not God... I guess I see macro evolution of species and the "ascent of man" as a lie from the devil, (we have actually called it DEVILUTION)...

We know that God is not the author of confusion in churches, (1 Cor. 14:33) on the other hand God did create some confusion of languages at Babel... do you think evolution is a delusion of God?

George 05-21-2009 07:53 PM

Re: "Evolution vs. Creation"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Parrish (Post 20386)
I don't know John, that's a good question.
I always figured evolution to be a creation of man not God... we know that God is not the author of confusion in churches, (1 Cor. 14:33) on the other hand God did create some confusion of languages at Babel... do you think evolution is a delusion of God?

Aloha brother Parrish,

It's ALL a "part" of HUMANISM - along with Psychiatry/Psychology, ("discovered" or "invented" around the SAME TIME, (i.e. the middle to the late 1800's) which "just happens" :rolleyes: to "coincide" with the SAME TIME that the Bible "correctors" & Bible "deniers" finally got a "toe hold" with the W&H "Greek Text" and the English "Revised Version" - all of these men and their "perverse" teachings and fairy tale "theories" came out of the faithless & Godless "University System" {Quite a "Coinkidence" - don't you think?} :(

The "Great Awakening" ("Biblical/spiritual"); the "Renaissance" (art/science, etc. ); and the "Enlightenment" (education, schooling, "scholarship", etc.) all started around the same time (1400's - 1500's) and coincided with the establishment of the "University System" - which laid the "FOUNDATION" for what we know today as "HUMANISM"; which actually is the "resurrection" of Greek Philosophy in "modern garb".

I believe that "HUMANISM" is at least a "part" of the the "strong delusion" spoken of by the Apostle Paul in the Book of 2 Thessalonians.

[2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness
.]

HUMANISM is a "Religion/Philosophy" that is believed by the "MAJORITY" of the people in the Western world, but it is so clever, and so subtle, that most of its "adherents" don't even know or recognize that they have embraced a RELIGION! They don't even know that they have accepted a LIE in place of the TRUTH. In other words they are BLIND!

2 Corinthians 4:3
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


This is what is taking place in the colleges and Universities across America and the Western world. This is what is taking place within the majority for "Christian" Colleges and "Christian" Bible Schools across America.

The APOSTASY takes place - FIRST in the "SCHOOLS" and then it SPREADS OUT throughout the "Christian" Denomination"s & Sects (i.e. the churches). This has been the M.O. (modus operandi) for over 500 years now, and most "Christians" haven't "wised up" to the CORRUPTION, IN ALL THOSE YEARS! :mad:

I personally believe that this one of the many "devices" [2 Corinthians 2:11] that Satan has created to "corrupt" the minds of both the lost and the saved; and unlike Paul, most "Christians" today are totally IGNORANT of them! :eek:

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Paul is writing to (addressing) Christians - NOT the lost!

1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of thetruth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

2 Timothy 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

CKG 05-23-2009 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Parrish (Post 20386)
I don't know John, that's a good question.

I always figured evolution to be a creation of man not God... I guess I see macro evolution of species and the "ascent of man" as a lie from the devil, (we have actually called it DEVILUTION)...

We know that God is not the author of confusion in churches, (1 Cor. 14:33) on the other hand God did create some confusion of languages at Babel... do you think evolution is a delusion of God?

And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. (Genesis 9:1)
But the people didn't.

Genesis 11
1. And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

2. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

3. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

4. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

5. And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

6. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

7. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

9. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
The confusing of the languages seem to be as a result of the people not obeying God. Do you think maybe God knew if the people stayed there in one place with one language that it would make it easy for Satan to have influence over them, maybe establish one government with his man as the leader? Just a thought.

As far as evolution;
Romans 1
18. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Colossians 1
16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Bro. Parrish 05-23-2009 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CKG (Post 20478)
The confusing of the languages seem to be as a result of the people not obeying God. Do you think maybe God knew if the people stayed there in one place with one language that it would make it easy for Satan to have influence over them, maybe establish one government with his man as the leader? Just a thought.

Good point brother. I see the confusion of the languages as a preventative first strike against godless technological advancement of some type, and GODLESS UNITY. It seems they wanted to build a massive TOWER of some sort—perhaps religious (to reach to heaven) and they wanted a CITY for commerce. They had a vision, they imagined great progress, but it was not God's plan it was THEIR HUMANISTIC PLAN, and God was not in it. So it seems that Satan already had influence over them and God was concerned about where this construction project would lead. As we can see from the rapid advance in human cloning and the nuclear bomb, human intelligence is amazing. Even in a cursed state, millions of human minds working in unison can be a dangerous thing... ("now nothing will be restrained from them"). It appears that Mankind needed an "intervention" to slow things down.

Since this time, modern man has been trying to create ONE WORLD and ONE PEOPLE out of many 24/7/365 days a year, and their is no sign of letting up. If you are a child of the 60's like me, you can't help but see the irony in a song by the former Beatles star named John Lennon called "IMAGINE," (see vs. 6: they have IMAGINED to do") the song ends up with the "WORLD WILL LIVE AS ONE." I have pasted the song below, it is now the official theme song for the World Socialists, as shown here:
http://www.worldsocialism.org/articl...ohn_lennon.php

vs. 6. "And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have IMAGINED to do."


Imagine
by John Lennon

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one


Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Winman 05-23-2009 06:19 PM

Bro Parrish

I like the way you posted the lyrics to Imagine by John Lennon. This song is a perfect example of humanistic thinking. First, it believes that man can solve his own problems without God. In fact, these humanists regard God as superstition that actually prevents the evolution of man.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Then John wants to hold hands with everybody and have a one world government. But once again he takes a swipe at religion.

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

Then the chorus. Nothing more perfectly reflects the pompous conceit of these liberals. Notice how John says "I hope someday you'll join us, and the world will be as one". How pompous can you get? John is saying that he is not to blame or fault for the world's problems, it's the religious and patriotic folks who are to blame. If we could only get rid of our guns and Bibles (I had to take a little swipe at Obama here) hold hands around the campfire and sing for world peace, then all the world's problems would disappear.

And the last verse is nothing but socialism. Oh, it's wrong to work hard at an honest occupation to take care of your family. It's wrong to buy a nice home to protect them, clothes to keep them warm, and food to keep them healthy.No, we should give it all away, even to those who do not put in so much effort to provide for themselves.

Bro. Parrish 05-23-2009 07:50 PM

Very good points brother—and despite the typical mantra against God and country, the fact is it was SOCIALISM that gave rise to Mussolini and Fascism. SOCIALISM gave rise to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. We must never forget this.


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