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What about YHWH or YAHWEH?

I own an Authorized King James Version and is the only Bible I trust, as I believe all modern versions are indeed corrupt. I'm a new believer (having been saved for a few months now) and have a question for you brothers and sisters of the faith. I know that the King James Version tells us that the name of the Father is JEHOVAH. Still, I can't help but wonder about the other names I heard other people call the Father. What about YHWH or YAHWEH? Do any of you have any idea why the translators decided not to acknowledge these supposed names of the Father? Are these names even valid?

Will Kinney's page is good, and it links to a very good site as well. Here is brother Will's site and the site he links to.

http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/JEH.html
http://www.lamblion.net/Articles/Sco...s/jehovah1.htm

Peace and Love,
Stephen

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Originally Posted by stephanos (Post 12282)

Thank very much brother. I read the information provided in those links and found it very useful. Now I should be able to bless the name of God without feeling doubt. Thank you and God Bless.

In Jesus' Name,

Rolando

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Originally Posted by Rolando (Post 12353)

Very good Rolando. Praise JESUS! Blessed be the Name of the LORD!

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Here is another article on this topic: http://av1611.com/kjbp/ridiculous-kj...hova-YHVH.html

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Originally Posted by Diligent (Post 12377)

Here is another article on this topic: http://av1611.com/kjbp/ridiculous-kj...hova-YHVH.html

Thank very much my brother in Christ! I found this article so very useful for helping clear my doubts. Thanks the Lord you and brother Stephen directed me towards this useful information. I see that now I have some apologizing to do to my Lord later during prayer for doubting his Holy Name! Thank you and God Bless.

In Jesus' Name,

Rolando

I don't even think Hebrew has a "W" sound on its own. That being w as in water

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Originally Posted by Tmonk (Post 13273)

I don't even think Hebrew has a "W" sound on its own. That being w as in water

The Name is YHVH (YEHOVAH or JEHOVAH) instead of YHWH. Anyway, the article http://av1611.com/kjbp/ridiculous-kj...hova-YHVH.html cleared the Name issue up for me.

Hebrew doesn't have a hard-J sound. It is pronounced with a Y sound. "Joshua" is pronounced "yeh-ho-shu'-ah", "Jerusalem" is pronounced "yer-u-sha-lah'-im", etc. It's why we pronounce "Hallelujah" (which means "Praise Ya(hovah)/Ya(weh)") as "hah-lay-lu-yah" and not "hah-lay-lu-jeh".

Hi Folks,

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Originally Posted by BrianT

Hebrew doesn't have a hard-J sound.

Technically, this is not accurate. Sephardic Hebrew does have a hard-J sound.

The major problem with the 'yahweh' paganism is its origin (both the pagan connections in ancient times and its modern fascination to the German criticism schools in recent times - in fact those connections appear likely to be themself connected since the criticism schools are quick to associate Jehovah with pagan deities in other cultures).

Also the wrong number of syllables and its incorrect vowels. Personally I consider Jehovah and Yehovah as largely equivalent, and even Yehowah is along the same lines. ie. If somebody used that pronunciation to match their Hebrew dialect I could accept that fine.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

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Technically, this is not accurate. Sephardic Hebrew does have a hard-J sound.

True, just as some Hebrew speakers pronounce vav with a 'v' sound, and others with a 'w' sound.

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The major problem with the 'yahweh' paganism is its origin

I don't give "pagan origins" argument much weight. "El" ("God") also has pagan usage at least as old as Judaism, and there are many other similar words.

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Also the wrong number of syllables and its incorrect vowels.

Since Hebrew was originally without vowels at all, that's just speculation.

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Personally I consider Jehovah and Yehovah as largely equivalent, and even Yehowah is along the same lines. ie. If somebody used that pronunciation to match their Hebrew dialect I could accept that fine.

I agree. As I've said elsewhere, if you want to pronounce the Tetragrammaton like "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Yehowah" or "Jahweh" or "Yumpin' Yimini", that's entirely your business. As for me, I think "Jehovah" is fine, "Yahweh" is fine, and "Yumpin' Yimini" is not. It's enough for me to know the basic issues, trust that God knows my heart when I talk to him using his name.

Hi Folks,

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Originally Posted by BrianT

I don't give "pagan origins" argument much weight. "El" ("God") also has pagan usage at least as old as Judaism, and there are many other similar words.

"Similar words" is modernist cognate mishegas. Main problems with your view here. 1) Elohim is not the name, and other cultures could easily appropriate "similar words" from the ancient language of Hebrew.

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Originally Posted by BrianT

Since Hebrew was originally without vowels at all, that's just speculation.

Any theory that the vowels in Hebrew do not reflect actual meanings and sounds runs into all sorts of problems. You are denying virtually every name and word in Hebrew as accurate and you will be unsure of hundreds of meanings. However it will take us into some other discussion, such as the usage of letters as vowels, how the understandings were maintained historically and more.

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Originally Posted by BrianT

I agree. As I've said elsewhere, if you want to pronounce the Tetragrammaton like "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Yehowah" or "Jahweh" or "Yumpin' Yimini", .

Your blasphemy here is not agreeing with me at all. I simply said that Anglicazation could allow for slightly different sounds of letters, when a person's native language is different, much like Jesus can be pronounced different in Spanish, with I would have no objection. No more, no less.

The two-syllable 'yahweh' is a German higher-criticism darling, it messes up the multi-syllable Theophoric names that always begin, 100%, with "Yeh", it messes up the syllables, it is a modernist error, and there is compelling evidence that it is a paganism from ancient times revived largely by unbelievers and defended by cornfuseniks like Brian.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

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Any theory that the vowels in Hebrew do not reflect actual meanings and sounds runs into all sorts of problems.

I never said vowels do not reflect meanings and sounds. I said the text was originally written without them.

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Your blasphemy here is not agreeing with me at all.

First, you bandy words like "blasphemy" around too easily. Second, I was agreeing with you, but that doesn't mean I think you agree with me.

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery (Post 13372)

Hi Folks,

Also the wrong number of syllables and its incorrect vowels. Personally I consider Jehovah and Yehovah as largely equivalent, and even Yehowah is along the same lines. ie. If somebody used that pronunciation to match their Hebrew dialect I could accept that fine.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

Do you have any more info on the differences of the pronunciation of the letter Vev?

The King James Bible tell us that the personal name of God is Jehovah and this is true. It is the name given to the Father but also to the Son. For study you may visit my website for further study:
http://www.fredsites.weebly.com

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