Originally Posted by Luke (Post 20565)

Ed, the internet has only been in it's current form since about 1995.. so I guess you were "soldiering" on during the heyday of Bulletin Board systems.

The only thing I ever used BBS's for was playing Legend of the Red Dragon and TEOS The Exploration of Space. Those door games have now made a resurgence online - they call them "browser" games now though...

Originally Posted by greenbear (Post 20559)

Ed, that's an interesting comment and I plan to do my first word study in the Greek and Hebrew in a long time. My understanding is that Lucifer=light bearer and morning star in Latin.

I am no Bible scholar nor intellectual. When I was a new christian I lived and breathed the Bible for 5 years or so and since then have for the most part neglected it for a number of years. This little piece I wrote is just an attempt to start studying God's word in depth again. So I thank you for taking your valuable time reading it and especially replying to it!

I honestly don't know anything about the interpreter's notes. I'm quite sure I would much rather read KJV interpreter's notes than the NIV interpreter's notes. Once I was convinced in my mind that the KJV is God's Word and the other versions were not, I never studied any other version again and I didn't continue studying the Bible version issue, either .

The way I see it is that God, not the translators, preserved His Word perfectly in the King James Bible. Their notes are runner's up, they didn't win the contest. There are probably hundreds of facts and points of view to consider in order to come to a fairly complete understanding of just this one little issue with this one piece of one verse; yet,why would God call Jesus and Lucifer/Satan by the same appellations?

Originally Posted by Ed Edwards (Post 20562)

Tee Hee :pound:

Your worse nightmare come true - a person who can prove the KJVs are inerrant, perfect, without flaw, preserved for their generation, etc.

And dangerous, I can teach Man's Logic, which is a subset of God's Logic (a very tiny subset, I might add); I can teach Salvation (since 1952) - 57 years; I can teach Bible (since 1957 - 52 years / 1975-1957 - the the KJV only for 18 years) I blow in-again-out-again-finigan salvation out of the water; I can blow the pre-tribulation rapture socks off LaHaye, Jeffery, and etc.; I was called to be a ON-LINE Bible apologist in June 1984 - 25 year anniversary coming up. Say, I aught to have a Big Anniversary party, except I don't remember the day. Actually I posted on my first post on a public bulletin board on day one and it was day 13 before I could post the second post?

[sorry, I do admit the Lord is still working on me about enhancing my humility]

What was every body else doing 25 years ago?

Second Ed's insight on the 'Lucifer' problem:

1. Even if 'day star' is the best translation here, it would be no problem. Obviously (Scofield is right) whoever is being talked about in Isaiah 14:12 is probably directly Nebo-..., the King of Babylon. But obviously Satan (a title, not a name), the Lead Devil (a title, not a name) is by type being mentioned here, indirectly, of course.

2. The 'day star', 'Morning Star', and 'Evening Star' can refer to the planet (not star) Venus in different manifestations. The 'Morning Star' designation is probably most meaningful here. The metaphor of Satan (by type) being a false Morning Start means that Satan is the false 'dawn' that precedes the true Dawn (we know now as Jesus). Jesus is compared by Peter and John is a metaphor for Jesus as the true 'predecessor' of the true sun: God Himself.

BTW 'day star' is NOT a star, it referrs to a planet. So the Hebrew Word for 'star' is not needed here at all.

Originally Posted by George (Post 20569)

Aloha sister greenbear,

You would be wise to ignore Ed Edwards - he's a TROLL of the worst kind. It's always QUESTIONS & DOUBT! QUESTIONS & DOUBT! I wouldn't waste one minute of my time on such braggart and trouble-maker, and I doubt that he will be here much longer after these last obnoxious Posts. :mad:

There are a lot of fine brothers and sisters in the Lord here - Ed Edwards is NOT one of them! :eek:

Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Originally Posted by Jassy (Post 20571)

Why must we "break down" the original words in the perfect KJV and get them "translated" by other corrupt versions? The reason this is done is because Satan (aka: Lucifer) is always attempting to COUNTERFEIT Jesus Christ. He wants to be the perfect counterpart of Jesus Christ so that he can palm-off himself as the "LIGHT." He may be "a" light - but he's a FALSE light. The only TRUE Light source is Jesus Christ! Remember that in holy city, new Jersalem, what LIGHT is described there?

Revelation 21:23 - "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Revelation 22:5 - "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."