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Technically, this is not accurate. Sephardic Hebrew does have a hard-J sound.

True, just as some Hebrew speakers pronounce vav with a 'v' sound, and others with a 'w' sound.

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The major problem with the 'yahweh' paganism is its origin

I don't give "pagan origins" argument much weight. "El" ("God") also has pagan usage at least as old as Judaism, and there are many other similar words.

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Also the wrong number of syllables and its incorrect vowels.

Since Hebrew was originally without vowels at all, that's just speculation.

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Personally I consider Jehovah and Yehovah as largely equivalent, and even Yehowah is along the same lines. ie. If somebody used that pronunciation to match their Hebrew dialect I could accept that fine.

I agree. As I've said elsewhere, if you want to pronounce the Tetragrammaton like "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Yehowah" or "Jahweh" or "Yumpin' Yimini", that's entirely your business. As for me, I think "Jehovah" is fine, "Yahweh" is fine, and "Yumpin' Yimini" is not. It's enough for me to know the basic issues, trust that God knows my heart when I talk to him using his name.

Hi Folks,

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Originally Posted by BrianT

I don't give "pagan origins" argument much weight. "El" ("God") also has pagan usage at least as old as Judaism, and there are many other similar words.

"Similar words" is modernist cognate mishegas. Main problems with your view here. 1) Elohim is not the name, and other cultures could easily appropriate "similar words" from the ancient language of Hebrew.

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Originally Posted by BrianT

Since Hebrew was originally without vowels at all, that's just speculation.

Any theory that the vowels in Hebrew do not reflect actual meanings and sounds runs into all sorts of problems. You are denying virtually every name and word in Hebrew as accurate and you will be unsure of hundreds of meanings. However it will take us into some other discussion, such as the usage of letters as vowels, how the understandings were maintained historically and more.

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Originally Posted by BrianT

I agree. As I've said elsewhere, if you want to pronounce the Tetragrammaton like "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Yehowah" or "Jahweh" or "Yumpin' Yimini", .

Your blasphemy here is not agreeing with me at all. I simply said that Anglicazation could allow for slightly different sounds of letters, when a person's native language is different, much like Jesus can be pronounced different in Spanish, with I would have no objection. No more, no less.

The two-syllable 'yahweh' is a German higher-criticism darling, it messes up the multi-syllable Theophoric names that always begin, 100%, with "Yeh", it messes up the syllables, it is a modernist error, and there is compelling evidence that it is a paganism from ancient times revived largely by unbelievers and defended by cornfuseniks like Brian.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

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Any theory that the vowels in Hebrew do not reflect actual meanings and sounds runs into all sorts of problems.

I never said vowels do not reflect meanings and sounds. I said the text was originally written without them.

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Your blasphemy here is not agreeing with me at all.

First, you bandy words like "blasphemy" around too easily. Second, I was agreeing with you, but that doesn't mean I think you agree with me.

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery (Post 13372)

Hi Folks,

Also the wrong number of syllables and its incorrect vowels. Personally I consider Jehovah and Yehovah as largely equivalent, and even Yehowah is along the same lines. ie. If somebody used that pronunciation to match their Hebrew dialect I could accept that fine.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

Do you have any more info on the differences of the pronunciation of the letter Vev?

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