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Old 11-11-2008, 09:58 PM
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How does he connect the missing pieces? Seeing his father naked then finding and telling his brothers about it IS a foul DEED/ACT.
I don't believe seeing is the act here, and the Bible itself intreprets the word "saw" of verse 22 as "done" in verse 24. Also, if Ham was merely looking upon his father's nakedness, and mocking him to his brothers (which is speculation and nowhere in the verses), then is that worthy of a curse?

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Question: How could Noah have awaken and immediately determined that it was Ham that committed an act? Without being very crude here, how could Noah even have understood what act had been done?!
How he knew it was Ham we don't exactly know, but if it was an act of fornication Noah would know immediately when he "awoke from his wine", as has been described by the previous poster. Hence why I side with that notion.

Another solid reason why Ham's act was likely fornication is because the expression "uncovered" from Genesis 9:21 is defined in Lev 18 & 20 as an intimate relationship involving sex. Note Deut 27:20 and Lev 18:18, where "uncovering" is the equivalent of the act of fornication - excerpt from Ruckmans Genesis commentary pgs 251-252.