[Steven Avery]

Hi Folks,

Originally Posted by Cody1611

A guy joined my website the other day

It is likely we know that poster well. (Or his wording is being copied by a clone.) He ignores when arguments are answered patiently and clearly and will repeat the same accusation as if it was never answered, offers very little of substance and is unresponsive to paradigmic and conceptual discussions that will focus on his own boatloads of inconsistencies. And is often taking the position of a classic troll trouble-maker as well with a propensity to untruths. There are other integrity issues. (This is all based on the likely identity, which is based on multiple pet phrases and the belligerent and aggressive approach.)

A simple example is the SDA question (canard) with Benjamin Wilkinson, a good defender. David Cloud (here is one of a couple of pages)

http://www.wayoflife.org/otimothy/tl070002.htm
The Battle for the King James Bible: 1800-1870

and others have shown the historical progressions going back at least into the early 1800's of understanding the authority and perfection of the AV. Benjamin Wilkinson was surely one of dozens of significant contributors towards today's pure understanding, as was Edward Hills, Philip Mauro, Joseph. C. Philpot and many, many others. (In fact neither Hills nor Wilkinson had a clearly fully pure view of the King James Bible, although they both offered tremendous assistance and resources to defenders and filled the historical gap.) Wilkinson was actually eclectic in a sense, since he faced stiff opposition from the SDA General Conference, especially as Ellen White had at times used the corrupt Revision, clearly a difficulty for an SDA pure-KJB understanding. Overall, Wilkinson had good understanding despite his SDA perspective, which would normally be a hindrance. And I believe Benjamin Wilkinson should be given a solid place in the history of King James Bible defenders, where we have ultra-dispensationalists and Pentecostals and this and that.

(To be clear and fair, there is a legitimate side-issue as to David Otis Fuller not making clear the Benjamin Wilkinson sources, so in this sense we see today the negative fruit of some unscholarly work by a KJB proponent.)

Similarly George McReady Price, SDA, was a major influence for the Creationary movement, preceding Henry Morris and John Whitcomb (in fact his influence in the Creationary movement was far greater than Wilkinson on the Bible issues) yet few would fall so headlong into a genetic fallacy as to reject Creationary views because of McReady's SDA-ness. When you deal with modern versionists, the hardened and calloused no-pure-Bible "any valid version" anti-pure-KJB crew, consistency is not their forté -- it is an unknown jewel.

While often you can invite a challenger or a questioner to dialog (and sometimes learn in the process, I have had many on the Messianic forum) in many cases it is simply a time-waster and distraction. If you do invite him on, be very aware of the history and baggage.

Shalom,
Steven