Inspired Translations?
 

1.) Does anyone here believe that God translated, through the power of the Holy Ghost and the gift of tongues, HIS WORD into every language of the world in the 1st century?

2.) Does anyone here believe that God has preserved HIS WORD in every language of the world...not just English?

3.) Does anyone here believe in "inspired translations"?

There seems to be a lot of folks on this site who seem to think that God has only preserved HIS WORD in the English language and that He only inspired HIS WORD in the original writings. I don't really understand this position. I have never read a single book on this subject but I have read Psalms and Acts and I don't understand.

I believe that God inspired the Originals which we do not have today and also the King James Bible. I do not believe any other bible that we have today is preserved or inspired by God. I believe that people can be saved by any bible as long as it shows the plan of Salvation, which is by Faith alone in the Church Age. I believe people can be saved through a tract or even being told how to be saved.

But, I believe if someone wanted to be a serious student of the word of God, they need a King James Bible. I'm sure you can learn things in other bibles, but the other bibles just don't match up to the preserved, inspired King James Bible.

So why would God use the English language to preserve His word? Because it is the universal language. Because most Christians today speak English and God knew that, so He chose English to get the gospel out.

Why do I take such a chance? Because the fruit of the King James Bible since 1611 has been amazing. Also, the promise of the church that kept the word was given to the Philadelphia church (1500,(1611)-1990), not to the early Apostolic church (A.D. 90-200).

You might say that God never promised to inspire any translation. Nor does Matthew, Mark, John, Peter or James claim inspiration.

Why would God use the King James translators as tools? I believe because they were humble. Every other bible you read the translators boast in their work. The King James translators referred themselves as "poor instruments". We read in the Bible where God will use people with a humble heart.

I can think of three times in the Bible when God translated things and they were perfect.

2 Samuel 3:10 "To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba." KJV

It was God who translated Saul's kingdom to David.

Colossians 1:13 "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:" KJV

God translated Christians into the kingdom of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 11:5 "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." KJV

God translated Enoch that he should not see death.

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You say you don't believe in double inspiration? What about when Moses broke the first set of the Ten Commandments? Do you believe God inspired the second set? Since we do not have the originals now, don't you think God would inspire the King James Bible?


Psalms 12:6 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 *Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

What about all the old test. quotes found in the new test? What about Paul on the road to damascus when Jesus speaks to him the "hebrew tongue" ... Luke wrote that in greek Cody. Those are examples of "inspired translations".


Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD. No one can be saved without hearing the inspired WORD OF GOD...at least some of it.

Go read the first half of Acts again.

WHAT?!?! Who told you that? please explain this point in detail.

I never said I don't believe in double inspiration...i believe in more then double but actually that is exactly what you are saying.

That proves that the King James Bible is Perfect. You show me another "bible" that is perfect and we'll discuss.



So, if I witnessed to someone and didn't have my Bible but told them how they could be saved, they couldn't get saved?




http://baptist1611.phpbb3now.com/vie...php?f=1&t=1466

There is a little study on the subject, but I think there is a book that describes these 7 churches and how they represent periods of history.

Since God did not inspire those words in stone, there is no double inspiration here. Not even single inspiration.

Inspiration was when Moses was writing down (on scrolls) making the form of the book (e.g. Exodus) that we see today. That was one single inspiration.

Copies were made, and the words were kept, and gathered perfectly in the KJB. The KJB is perfect. Its words are inspired. But that KJB was not made by inspiration. In the case of Exodus, inspiration happened only once, and since that time, the inspired words endured through history.

In the case of Moses its rather simple if you look at that situation from a practical point of view.

Moses got mad and broke the set of tablets made by God. When he asked God for another, God told him that he broke them so he has to do it himself.

this is not true at all. ANYTHING GOD SAYS IS INSPIRED! but only the Bible (in english KJB) is a reliable record of HIS WORDS.

During the early church when the New Test. was still being written God translated HIS WORD into every language in the world. For example, someone stands up in the Corinthian church and reads Pauls letter and folks from other languages hear it in their own language then that is a perfectly "inspired translation". I have heard people argue that it wasn't God's Word that was being spoken under the gift of tongues but if people are getting saved then that proves it is God's Word. People can not be saved without hearing God's Word. faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD.

BIBLE PROTECTOR - if you think the distinction of "inspired" is between written and spoken then what about Acts 13:49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region. ? you are obviously much more learned on this topic then myself but maybe it is your mixed up doctrine on gift of tongues and your zeal for australia and eng language that is causing you problems.

God died for everyone even those who wouldn't accept Him and He preserved HIS WORD in every language even in those countries who reject Him.

It seems you are deliberately speaking in this way to provoke something.

No, anything God says is divine and true. But what about all the prophecies that have never been given in Scripture. What about all the words that God said that were never written down. Surely, the theological term "inspiration" covers the giving of Canonical Scripture only.

There are plenty of reliable records, but the most reliable is the KJB.

No it wasn't. The Indians and aborigines did not get the word for centuries.

That did not happen. Scripture was translated by learned people who knew two or more langauges. Tongues was used at the Corinthian Church as prophecy, or else, for their prayers. Not one verse links Holy Ghost tongues with translating Scripture.

Who has got saved by hearing tongues? The Bible does not teach this at all.

Yes.

That has nothing to do with Holy Ghost tongues, and actually nothing to do with translation, since they spoke Greek there.

Yes, Christ died for all, but God's Word has not been effectively changed into all languages. Also, it is clear that the English translation is better than all others. Some dialects have no Scripture.

My position is God does everything He does by "inspiration". He gave the original manuscripts by inspiration, He gives copies and translations from age to age by inspiration, and it works effectually in those who believe His words, by His inspiration. Triple Inspiration of the Scriptures. The material His words are transmitted to is not perfect, the words are perfect. The scribe and writers are not perfect, the words themselves are perfect. The Universe is not perfect, Jesus Christ was perfect, God's will is perfect, His words are perfect.

For the first time in all history, starting in 1611, we have His whole counsel gathered together in one place.

Whether or not the word of God has been preserved and given by inspiration in Zulu is something I can't speak to, I don't speak Zulu. I speak a little Russian and that's it.

Grace and peace

Tony

Just started researching about a week ago...will let you know. It is one of the reasons I came to this site. It is ridiculous idea that God only inspired or preserved His Word in English language.


I didn't say that but it is a true statement that no one can be saved without hearing the Word of God. In america it is not a problem typically since most have heard but in more remote places it is a problem for soul winners who don't quote scripture. The Holy Spirit using THE WORD is what convicts and saves not us. It is like a hammer taking credit for building a house.



don't base doctrine on man made systems...this stuff is dangerous but as way of a comment. Shouldn't you have stretched out the date for Philadelphia - meaning brotherly love (1500-1900) to say about 1970 :)

So you think their was never an inspired Bible before 1611 or in another language now?


have you ever researched the history of the Russian Bible? I am getting ready to launch a website to reach Russian speakers and I want to have a searchable and downloadable and printable Bible but I am very concerned with putting up a corrupt Bible.

The Russians need the KJB. (Of course, they had the KGB!)

Since we know that one day very soon the Russians and so on are going to invade Israel (see Ezekiel 38 and 39) then I think they will be less resistant to the KJB after that (failure) than what may be now.

I am gonna reply to your earlier post later..wanted to spend some time on it.

:) maybe they need a NKGB.

yep...they are probably gonna invade more then that....here is an interesting message on the subject. I DON"T agree with these guys (jack schapp - Hyles' son in law) on everything but they did teach me how to be a soulwinner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfDj2fvJ9VE

I spent a lot of time in Russia and Ukraine this year (about 3 or 4 months). I have never seen a place or group of people so hungry for the gospel. We would literally walk through a hospital and go room to room with my fiance or another interpreter and see many many saved every time. They even asked me to go a public school and speak and said i can answer any question any way i want. one girl asked me about my religion so went through a 30 minute gospel presentation starting from creation. If i did that in america they would put me in jail. The place is wide open and needs THE WORD and prayer.

I am actually getting married in about 5 weeks to a great russian girl from a village in the middle of Siberia. Amazing Christian girl raised by an amazing single Christian mother. She is making a spreadsheet for a site I am having built of 300 new test verses comparing KJB to 9 versions and she has also been comparing with her russian Bible and so far at least it is word for word with the KJB. I have noticed some interesting points doing this project. (ie the word tongue has double meaning in russian also -- actual tongue in your mouth and language).

II Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

1Th 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Am I saying I am a British-Israelite who believes the KJV is and was the only inspired words of God my friend? No, I'm not. Luther's Bible led the German Reformation but was leavened with readings from Jerome's Latin Vulgate. Wycliffe was essentially the Vulgate in English with a few readings from the Massoretic OT and NT TR restored to it. There seems to be a quite clear validity to the prophetic notion that the seven purifications of the word of God in Psalms 12 culminated in the final and 7th, the KJV. I've not been shown nor am convinced the KJV is impure or corrupted in English, since English is my primary language I cannot speak to the purity of any Russian version as my knowledge of the language and Cyrillic script is not conversant to translate a Bible.

If you are searching for a Russian bible unleavened by the W/H NT-ben Asher OT corruptions I certainly pray you find it. I have a profound love for the Russian people though their government still leaves much to be desired.

Grace and peace

Tony

A born-again Iraelite should not be speaking well of Luther. Luther was a murderous, anti-semitic, heretic who is burning in Hell today.

Anyway, sorry luther and most all the reformers make me sick to my stomach. I will let you know what I find out about the Russian Bible. US and England govts are pretty messed up also. govts come and go but People last forever.

Here is a link to a good French Bible: www.kingjamesfrancaise.com

Thanks.

Luther wasn't perfect, but these accusations against him are Romanist inspired.

Are you a papist or an atheist?

This French translation of the King James Bible is not perfect. Besides various typographical errors which may be found, distinctions like between "vail" and "veil" are entirely missing. Long term it is better to have French-speakers learning English and using the KJB.

I think, my friend, before you do anything, you might have you serotonin and neuropenephrine reuptake levels adjusted.

Grace and peace

Tony

I am not sure what these are but I assume they have something to do with mental health (intersting YOU know what they are) and it is a direct personal slander against me. If you are going to make such an attack then you shouldnt say friend or grace and peace.

Romanist inspired?!?! you are an over the top liar! If you are accusing me of being a Catholic then you are a plain and simple liar! I could have attacked you for having a pastor for a wife, or charismatic doctrine, or a bunch of other ridiculousness I read in your statement of faith but I stuck to the topic at hand and tried to avoid the obvious differences between a Baptist and pentecostal.

Lets review Luther:

1.) Luther believed in infant baptism.
2.) Luther MURDERED ana-baptists because they believed in believer baptism.
3.) Luther was one of the biggest anti-semites ever to walk this Earth and Hitler quoted him in almost every speach he gave. If Luther hadn't laid the groundwork Hitler could never have got the German people to go along with what they did.

The Bible makes it clear how we can know believers: Doctrine, their love for the brethren and their fruit.

Doctrine: infant baptism
Love for God's people: murdered believers and wrote about doing the same to Jews.
Fruit: Lutheran church CULT that still believes in infant baptism and the Holocaust.

Yep, you are right he had his problems but he has a much bigger problem now...Hell.

What is with all you arrogant over the top liars? a bunch of dorky make believe theologs who enjoy slandering people via the internet.

That is up there with the stupidest things I have ever heard!

You have one post to apologize for your slander.

Perhaps if you came into a Christian forum as a new member and made your opening messages a little less vehement, acidic, and vitriolic in tone then perhaps people who have associates degrees in abnormal psychology wouldn't speculate on your neurotransmitter levels being discombobulated.

D'Osvedonya tovarisch

Anton

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1. God's Word is not only in English.

2. God's Word requires division between people who do not believe the Scripture and those who do believe.

3. God's Word is true in the KJB, whereas modern versions undermine various doctrines. The best and perfect form of the Bible today is the KJB.

4. God's Word is not the same as God Himself. It is His written will for mankind at this time. It is highly exalted, but the Bible is not God.

5. Belief in God's Word requires the reason and understanding of faith, and is entirely logical.

6. God's Word must be certain and knowable, and not merely in some misty or general form.

Yet for all this, the King James Bible was not inspired from 1604-1611. Will Kinney writes,

"God's words are like water in a vessel. If the same water is poured out into another vessel, even a vessel of a different shape and size, and there is no addition of foreign matter or subtraction of substance, it is the same water."

God is powerful enough to speak Hebrew, yet have those words written by inspiration in Greek, and then get those words to us today in the English tongue.

I agree with ONEWAY about Martin Luther. Everything he says about Luther is true. This is no papist pablum. This is the plain and clear truth.

Many Christians have, including some of the translators of the KJB. This is not going to keep them out of the Kingdom of God, though it is imperfect doctrine.

Really? First of all, where is the proof that Luther killed anyone? Second, using the word "murdered" is rhetoric and emotive language. Third, Anabaptists were not perfect.

Actually, the Catholics in Rome were more "anti-Semitic", and plenty of other folk too. Yellow stars and ghettos were Catholic inventions.

The doctrine of infant baptism is not going to stop a person going to heaven if they are saved.

The brethren are believers in Christ, which means that various Jews are not brethren.

The Luthern Church is not a cult, though quite imperfect, and is obviously not pro-Nazi today.

To attack truth in this way puts a person into the same camp as the Romanists.

AND HE IS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO INSPIRE HIS WORD INTO EVERY LANUGAGE UNDER HEAVEN!

thanks for making my point tongue.

ONEWAY, you are way out of line!

You speak of love for the brethren, and yet all you have shown is viciousness and bile.

I suggest that you leave this forum. You provide nothing of value.

Unbelievable! I stated some comments about and facts about a man who has been dead for 400 years who is NOT MY BRETHREN and was called an atheist or papist and I am the one is vicious and bile.

Sir, you are not a wise man...so please don't give me advice again.

Imperfect doctrine? It is essential doctrine! you are a a false teacher.

Luther believed in grace the way the Mormons believe in Jesus. You need to check definitions. Luther bleieved grace was imparted through keeping of sacraments. that is works.

I AM SURE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SOFTEN THE LANGUAGE OF MURDER.

It is estimated that between 40,000,000 and 70,000,000 real believers have been MURDERED over the doctrine of infant baptism, many at the hands of protesants including Luther. It is a historical fact and easy to research. I am sure you would just try to discredit any references i gave but try google it isn't hard. It is like asking someone to prove the holocaust.

You might want to research the holocaust as well. I don't think you believe in that either do you or maybe you think it is a big exageration. That would explain a lot about your english only positions and lack of concern for lost in other parts of the world.

How can i comment on a whole group? The term ana-baptist was a general term used to describle all those who bleieved in post conv. baptism. Most of them had great doctrine! much better then ANY reformer and much much better then your moronic doctrine



I am talking about Luther being anti-semitic not the Catholics. Of course the Catholics are and always will be persecuters don't try to avoid the facts.

Satan attacks with many weapons not just Catholics. For example, today he is using false teachers who appear to be standing for the Word of God to trick people into Hell. You have no credibility! You are a Charismatic with a wife who is a pastor. You have no concern for the lost in any language and you are a slanderer of the brethren. Your doctrine is so screwed up I am not going to waste my time covering it but if anyone is curious read this false teacher's doctrinal statement. http://www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm

Sin is not the result of bad doctrine. Bad doctrine is the result of Sin.


That is one the stupidest things i have ever heard from someone who is suppose to be a "bible protector". do i really need to expalin this here?

Typical satanic tactic. State an obvious truth to try and get others to swallow the lie that will put them in Hell. You are a deceiver.

Wrong! They believe in infant baptism and teach a false gospel. I don't expect a guy with so much pride and messed up doctrine as you to be able to understand this.

I attacked luther's false teachings and murderous tactics. you attacked me on what grounds?

ONEWAY, you were speaking of and to a Christian brother when you said these things, not about a man dead 400 years:These are of no value. They portray a very bitter spirit. Yes, bile is quite appropriate.

ALL of these comments came after being called an atheist or papist and other very rude slanders...most of them even came after your last unwise, unsolicited advice. Yoiu have intentionally taken them out of context. Just read through this thread...you are being intentionally Dishonest.

I made a point about Luther and was attacked.

I find it outrageous that on a site that is suppose to be dedicated to the KJB i have to argue about infant baptism, tongues and the heretic murderer martin luther. Then be called names AND be scolded by a foolish man.


So again, you are not a wise man. I didn't ask your advice. I don't respect your advice. Please keep your advice to yourself.




My brother shouldn't call me an atheist or papist or teach false doctrine. These are lies. What I said is truth...hard perhaps but true. He is a liar. Why don't you lecture him publically? You are not an honest or wise man.

Since we are dealing with the question of honesty, could you identify the post where Matthew (BibleProtector) called you an atheist or a papist (not where he asked if you were)? While you are at it, could you document your evidence that his wife is a pastor?

I didn't say he called me both he said i am one OR the other...how does that gnat taste? you are ridiculous.

http://www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm

Victory Faith Centre is an independent Church which stands for Traditional Pentecostal Christianity. It was founded in the year 2000 by Pastor Craig Savige with Elder Samantha Savige and Elder Matthew Verschuur. The meeting hall was originally used as a library building.

Go to the bottom of page and you can hear her sermons. Look I am not attacking this woman. I am sure she is a nice lady. Honestly, i dont care about his doctrine regarding woman pastors/elders but i do care about infant baptism! I am defending myself against a lair and his friend (you).

Read that doctirnal statement...

and again i am answering your questions i dont care about your conclusions.

you are not an honest or wise man.

Correction: apparently mathew is bible protector i thought it was craig savige. So I AM WRONG to state that mathew's wife is a pastor but anyway there church obviously believes thus and it really has nothing to do with main point. That is an unintentional mistake not an intentional LIE as MATHEW has made or blatent twist of truth as you have done several times now.

I repeat: Since you are accusing others of being dishonest:

Matthew never CALLED you anything! He asked a question. THe simple answer which should have come from you would have been "neither". Then you repeatedly slander him. ("liar", etc)

You also used a false statement:
Samantha Savige is neither Matthew's wife nor his pastor.

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added note: You posted while I was responding regarding Samatha Savige. It would be proper to apologize for your error.

Again, you are NOT a wise or honest man . I don't want or need your advice. Do you not understand that? You must be as arrogant as the Bible Protector. God is the Bible Protector...

If I have a question I will ask it! If I make a comment and someone disagrees with it then ask me why I have such opinion. Not complicated.

I came to this site in an attempt to find some info so I could help people in other parts of the world -- non-english parts. I was trying to formulate some ideas and understand some things which I didn't fully understand.

You and bible protector are not helpful so i respectfully ask you to go away. I dont respect either of your opinions and I certainly don't want them.

"Bang bang, Brandon's Silver Hammer
Came down, upon his head..."

Grace and peace:jaw:

Tony